Bufferbloat maybe your problem

Miki · 2024-12-26T12:59:48.461Z

https://www.xda-developers.com/reasons-bufferbloat-worst-networking-problem/

TXRon · 2024-12-26T15:05:36.794Z

and a recent post/video by Troy helps to eliminate these type issues.

Miki · 2024-12-26T15:15:07.080Z

I don’t think that helps fix the 3 buffers that cause bloatware, but I haven’t dug deep into it. Buffer bloat needs special tools to even measure it. The usual speedtests don’t even show it. From my understanding you need a modem with certain additions to lower the buffer bloat, something called SQM.
Smart Queue Management (SQM) is a network system that improves a router’s performance by managing network traffic:

TXRon · 2024-12-26T15:34:45.017Z

just an fyi buffer “bloat” can be caused by many issues most often by bloatware added to android boxes/phones etc. The term “phone home” is often the cause as the box is doing so much un-needed task in the background. Removing these task or at least turning them off can reduce buffer and also help with other issues such as heat which we all know can slow a box down. Windows users encounter this same issue on the desktop due to microsoft background task running.

Miki · 2024-12-26T16:27:56.556Z

Excellent info tx Ron. The article I pointed to focuses on the modem/router and how to reduce any effect overloading the 3 main buffers, used by them, can cause, whether unneeded apps or addons. Now to see if I can access my ISPs supplied modem and activate or enable SMQ. I suspect not but certainly will add this to a discussion I’ll have with my ISP and see if it’s something I can get in an upgrade from them. Fortunately my Modem never seems to get overheated and I keep my system cleaned out of unneeded stuff.
Not sure if it’s happy or merry boxing day.

Throttlejockey · 2024-12-26T16:28:08.168Z

Analiti shows Buffer Bloat now.

Miki · 2024-12-26T16:29:13.263Z

I did notice that, but not sure what I can do with my modem to mitigate any issues. Always so much more to learn. I did use the special tools and ran a test and my system rates a B, so there is improvement I can do.

Throttlejockey · 2024-12-26T16:30:58.593Z

Yes it’s not for the novice. And the Router needs certain things. Easiest fix is a new router with the latest specs.

JerryJ · 2024-12-27T17:57:25.456Z

Throttlejockey:

Analiti shows Buffer Bloat now.

I was wondering what that was when it showed up.

richb-hanover · 2024-12-28T16:11:18.975Z

Miki:

Buffer bloat needs special tools to even measure it. The usual speedtests don’t even show it.

Not so much these days. The three web-based speed tests listed on What Can I Do About Bufferbloat? (Speedtest.net, Waveform, Speed.cloudflare.com) all give accurate measurements for latency during upload and downloads (“bufferbloat”).

It also provides concrete suggestions about what changes you can make to minimize any lag that you’re seeing.

Miki · 2024-12-28T16:14:27.024Z

The problem I am finding is widely varying results speedtest.net and cloudflare. Thanks for the informative site. Always appreciate added sources.

welcome

Grrinder · 2024-12-28T16:42:03.222Z

Try using Speedof.me best real life results

mulfp · 2024-12-29T07:03:26.777Z

garbage/cheap hardware and link saturation.

least expensive option can be found among those capable of OpenWRT

richb-hanover · 2024-12-30T13:55:45.877Z

Grrinder:

Try using Speedof.me best real life results

I have looked at SpeedOfMe. I think its speed measurement is accurate, but I don’t believe it measures latency during download or upload. That means it won’t detect whether your router is buffering too much data (that is, whether it’s prone to bufferbloat).

See also the “bufferbloat load” question at the Bufferbloat FAQ

… least expensive option can be found among those capable of OpenWRT

I agree - the OpenWrt One router (US$89) is quite capable and has all the bufferbloat fixes for ISPs and WiFi built in. (See the What Can I Do About Bufferbloat? page for a link)

JerryJ · 2025-01-01T18:29:52.788Z

My buffer is bloated?

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Should I put it on a diet for the new year?

Miki · 2025-01-01T18:53:48.487Z

34 ms isn’t that much, especially with your speeds. But if it gets fatter than 50, I’d definitely put it on a diet.

ProBowler · 2025-01-04T11:15:06.978Z

Hey Miki, It’s been a while since I have annoyed you so I thought I would rattle your cage. I hope you are having a good holiday season and I wish you the best going forward. I also wanted to take this opportunity to ask you about your latest post on Bufferbloat. I ran a scan through Waveform and it graded performance a ‘C’. Pretty mediocre, right?

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So, at a glance it looks I have a problem. But do I? I have 1 gig from Spectrum and it seems my system is getting most of that. So, I went to the ‘fix’ part and it suggested i could upgrade to an EERO mesh. Which is what this is running on. EERO says I could improve things if i turned on “Optimize for Conferencing and Gaming”. It also says it is “best for internet connections under 500 Mbps”. Clearly my speed is well above that. So, what I am asking is, from what you see, do I even have a problem or is the “C” grade an anomaly? Thanks pal.

Miki · 2025-01-04T14:05:19.808Z

At those speeds I wouldn’t even worry. Unless you’re Gaming I can’t see you’ll have any problems at all. 13 ms is so low I doubt it’s affecting anything. Now if you were above say 50 I might do some digging. Sometimes these tests cause you more worry than there worth. Your upload speeds are killer. In my personal opinion I’d uninstall the test and forget you even used it.

ProBowler · 2025-01-04T19:09:01.115Z

This is exactly why you are such a great resource. Thank you my friend. Being a great resource is both a plus and a minus, right? Sometimes I’ll bet you wish the ‘Go To’ was someone else. haha. Thank you again, sir.

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